so thanks for coming on the show today uh just so we can have you know one big takeaway for people that might have skimmed through the episode and are looking for those big takeaways here at the end could you maybe give us like top five things that an organization can do to protect themselves today sure I think really just doing a security penetration test or or red team engagement would be number one for us uh number two really would be for you to kind of implement or figure out those kind of solutions whether that be antivirus or endpoint detection solutions to make sure that they're installed on the network that's really kind of preventing those attacks I think the next big bullet point number three would be essentially detecting those so that would be going along with honey pots or intrusion detection systems and things like that to make sure those are also implemented um and I think uh the fourth one would be essentially just taking all that data because once you have all the those systems installed you're going to have to kind of aggregate that data and be able to parse through them or be able to have a platform where you can kind of narrow down those targets and figure out what security issues are and what those attackers might be looking to kind of breach and lastly but not uh most important in my opinion too would be doing the security training because really at the front lines it's going to be those employees they're going to be the ones usually either being fished or the ones that are going to be picking up the USB sticks outside of their company and trying to plug it in or they'll be the you know the weakest link essentially to be able to get on a phone call and and talk to them to try to convince them to install some kind of malware and then further breach within the network so security training is a is a huge thing yeah and I would add to the security training continued knowledge transfer