In security you have likely heard the expression turtles all the way down, the concept the world is held up on the back of a turtle who is standing on the back other another turtle, and so on.. This can be used to describe the current state of security, where everything can dramatically fall over if the bottom turtle fails. In this episode, we discuss solving the bottom turtle, solving authentication. Our guest Ethan Heilman has a PhD in Computer Science and the current CTO of BastionZero where he is currently working on Open PubKey, a protocol for leveraging OpenID Providers (OPs) to bind identities to public keys. Links: OpenPubkey - https://github.com/openpubkey/openpubkey BastionZero - https://www.bastionzero.com/ Social Connections for Ethan Masterdon - ethan_heilman@hexagon.space X - @Ethan_Heilman